Roundup III contains 2 percent glyphosate plus 2 percent pelargonic. Folks, the war on facts is a quick trip to the middle-ages. Fake Orchids – How to Convert Ugly White Orchids Into Blue, Orange and Even Green Ones. YES SIR that will teach Mr Palvis to dare to give a different perspective on your CNN,CBS,MSNBC et. Her most recent claim is that glyphosate is a contributing factor of COVID-19. And where can I find the OECD-Comlliant study that shows the “…most toxic events ever.”? The instructions on the label are clear and do not state… In your summary bullet points, “it quickly absorbs to soil and becomes inactive” I think you mean adsorb with a ‘d’. Look at the spin that the U.S. But the argument about the use for 20 years and being played off. That is NOT science. You need to realize that there is a VERY different burden of proof to conclude causation between the US civil courts, as compared to science as a whole. Holy crap, I can’t believe that at this point it’s not common knowledge that glyphosate has had the most toxic effects ever. Several years ago I was going to write a post about Roundup and glyphosate, its active ingredient, but decided against it because several very good science-based reports were produced by others. I find it so frustrating when people hear only a headline (usually a false one!) Another difference in glyphosate products is whether a surfactant needs to be added to the spray solution or if the formulated glyphosate product has a built-in adjuvant package. In all the history of chemicals that is ever made has it be proven that any of them is really safe? The western world would do well to do the same to stops us falling for all the nonsense written for the public about fluoride, roundup, the sodium bicarbonate cure-alls, injecting bleach, etc, etc. This problem goes so much deeper than just Glyophosphate! Yum. We do nothing by disregarding the suffering of our fellow humans in the name of science. Spell check never picks those out for us. The more layers of filtration/separation between each of us the lower the transmission rate. Roundup or glyphosate is a systemic, which means you spray it on the foliage and it’s actually absorbed through the leaves, goes into the stems, goes into the roots, and kill the entire plant over a short course of time. That means the result was an accumulation of the ideas and thoughts of the members of the jury. Based on this conclusion, I continued using Roundup to eradicate the weeds in my yard. I hope that putting all of the information in one spot will make it a useful tool for discussions in gardening social media groups. Archive View Return to standard view. Farmers in general live healthier life styles and have less rates of certain cancer than the general public. KILLS EVERYTHING,just like I wanted. Thank yoou for this excellent, timely article! Saying use menthol cigarettes when you were sick instead of the normal ones. HELP!! I have been told by nursery people that it’s so safe you could drink it. Glyphosate is a common herbicide (“weed-killer") used in crop and non-crop lands, including residential areas such as home lawns and gardens. Organizations have all of our heads on backwards. Hi Robert, Excellent article. And I am not saying you are. The Shifting Reputation Of Glyphosate, AKA Roundup : The Salt The world's most widely used weed killer was once seen as one of the safest pesticides. Unfortunately your article did not address the effects of Round Up on DNA. Great article – and some of the responses have been hilarious. It concerns me to no end that we simply dismiss it out of hand or make the scientist the villain…in a time when the world is being impacted by several huge problems that only science will save us from. Having said that, I admire anyone writing a horticulture blog who is always pictured in full dinner dress. The starting point for any science is to acknowledge “we don’t know (or assume) the answer”, so we test to see what the answer really is. Her scientific results didn’t match their beliefs or their crusade. Thank you for this slice of sanity. Glyphosate is the active ingredient in the popular weed killer RoundUp, and about 500 other herbicide products.It’s widely used by farmers, gardeners and other land managers. Neat! https://time.com/4730440/taiwan-fake-news-education/. A common argument agaisnt GMO plants is that it encourages the use of Roundup. It is HIGHLY contagious. Thank you, and keep putting the truth out there. Some claim that glyphosate causes all kinds of diseases including, diabetes, neuropathies, obesity, asthma, infections, osteoporosis, infertility, birth defects and non-celiac gluten sensitivity. I donate food I grow and will not put such a manufactured chemical on it – out of respect for the recipients and their various knowledge levels. It’s the active ingredient in popular weed-control products like Roundup, Rodeo, and Pondmaster. For lager weeds, this can mean that, unless you ensure that you hit all the foliar surfaces, you’re not even going to kill all of the above ground tissue. I have a garden also and don’t use roundup. This variability reduced the ability of the methods to differentiate between treatment effects and natural population variance. Scientists can get it wrong and now about it, for some reason, I don’t know if motivated by feeling God like, or if for lack of morals, scientists will sell their soul to the companies they work for, or simply have to because they feel their voices won’t be heard(and it won’t, there’s too much money and power behind them) I won’t unsuscribe, because in general I take everything with a grain of salt. Now my question is what should the correct dilution ratio be- I used it last weekend *Don't remember dilution in my sprayer, think it was 2 oz-- but went by directions on bottle- and they weeds are laughing at me!! Many of these claims have been made by Samsel and Seneff. I have been using Roundup two, sometimes three, times a year for several years to control the weeds. What is Glyphosate? The general public is more convinced than ever that glyphosate (Roundup) causes cancer because of the recent court cases. In science, having a TypeI error 50% of the time isn’t logical, or permitted, and a much more stringent bar is used. We do know that glyphosate has a short half-life in soil and it attaches to soil, which would suggest it is not a big problem. I don’t think so and I welcome you to sip down a glass if that’s what you believe. In general (without specific reference to Roundup), I found the odds of a person getting multiple myeloma range from 1/132 to 1/161. Right to Know organization does on it. Or maybe, I’ve looked at the scientific evidence, and came to a scientific conclusion, based on the facts available. You mentioned the human microflora and the potential for interfering with the respiration of some of those organism. What company would want to hide toxicity which would surely result in lawsuits, bad publicity, and tossing out all of their investment? The reasons/mechanisms for this are still largely unknown. They have our own EPA in their pockets! The one that youted the 41% increase in NHL that made waves among the anti-biotech community, but when it hit the scientific community, barely made a ripple. Great safe tool. Yes, wearing the mask is a socially responsible thing to do because it will MINIMIZE transmission and is something we can all do. Some studies claim that the active ingredient, glyphosate, may be increasing the risk of many diseases (4, 5).On the other hand, Roundup … I have read anecdotal accounts of the soil microflora suffering under repeated applications of glyphosate. Now, you can argue that this is progress, that it has lead to increased yields, but there is no doubt that this has lead to a massive reduction in all wildlife, as on intensive farms there is almost no food or habitat. if you are looking for a complete burndown, you may want to mix roundup or generic glyphosate, use the 41 % concentrate with amine 2-4d weed killer. In other words, the study was not compliant with the current standards in toxicology. Just like any other product,if they change the mixture to save money I will no longer buy it either. In broadacre uses, this product was superseded in 1984 by Roundup CT® (450g/L isopropylamine). I suppose the 20 + global organizations that agree with my analysis have also been bought and brainwashed? Great article by the way – thoroughly agree that this product has been well and truly maligned by folk who typically offer no suggestion on what they expect farmers to do if the folk succeed in getting Glyphosate banned. Glyphosate is the most widely used postemergence herbicide in landscape plantings for several reasons. Depending on the succession of plants you want to grow, it is counterproductive to allow them to die off. derived cherished beliefs. I use it to kill plants not bugs. It is good to beware of political agendas and money interests that negate the science or try to confuse it. Robert- firstly, thanks for this interesting and rigorous site. Nobody is spraying Roundup on wild fields – it costs money. There have been many studies that don’t paint a pretty picture. Roundup contains several other ingredients, called inerts, that help increase the herbicide’s potency—and potentially its toxicity. In 2012, the infamous “lumpy rat study” (Seralini et al., 2012) was published…and quickly eviscerated by the scientific community, as it was a botched design from start to finish. Your acknowledgement of surfactant issues shows that the overall content of your article is not well written for the general audience as many lack the understanding of the effects of the other compounds that are typically combined with this active agent. I know I don’t have ugly weeds in my yard any more. If someone is espousing that roundup can be ingested has not done the proper research. I only have 10-years of gardening experience but like so many people of my generation, I also have an increased sensitivity to certain chemicals and certain surfactants. “you have also neglected to mention the controversy surrounding Monsanto covertly funding many of the studies which show no harmful effects of the substance.” However, these herbicides work in different ways. I find it endlessly amusing that you claim that Monsanto doctors studies, when they are the only side of this who has actually adhered to the basic standards in toxicology, and HAS replicated their results. It is not a GRAS material. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691518304800. Potting Up – Which Pot Size is Correct for Potting On? They spray it on fields that are used for agriculture and the weeds will be destroyed one way or the other. Thank you, Robert, for another dose of sanity in a clearly nuts world. This is not the case for the anti-glyposate papers out there. Thank you so much Mr. Pavlis! The work of Semeff and Samsel is beyond flawed, it’s completely worthless. Your comparing it to materials that are on the GRAS list (generally regarded as safe) I find inappropriate. Thank you. The Surfactant is included in Roundup to make sure that the Glyphosate wets the leaves well and absorbs well into the plant. As to the full formulation, the main factor are the surfactants…soap by any other name, and we do not recommend drinking dish soap. I still use it on my farm. Here are some important facts about glyphosate. By smashing all these together, they caused for there to be variability in the data sets. It produced a wide range of weed killers and other products under the Roundup brand. You can’t blame that on Roundup. As evidenced by the first poster, so many people want to ignore reality, and behave according to myths and legends of the day. In reference to your article concerning glyphosate causing cancer, after I was diagnosed with multiple myeloma about 2 years ago I began researching the causes of multiple myeloma. Who paid you to write this? I have not looked at that. Natural Weed Killers – Do Organic Herbicides Work? Seralini did nothing, and to date NO ONE has been able to replicate his findings. What you’re left with is basically a contact herbicide that relies on the surfactant (soap) to aid the penetration of the acid through the waxy cuticle. My advice to you is get your hands dirty and stop trying to convince people who know we can grow and eat food, just as humans did for thousands of years without products that make a few greedy people rich!!!! They do nothing but propose hypotheses and then never test them experimentally to see if they can be validated. I don’t use RU. For instance, one of the more comprehensive methods for determining chronic effects is OECD-453, a combined carcinogenicity and chronic toxicity study examining oral exposire. There is no doubt that the majority of general public hate Monsanto and Roundup, and they truly believe Roundup causes cancer. A very cheap add on to the tank is a shot glass of any kind of vinegar per gal of water. One has nothing to do with the other. Look how much food places that don’t have access to the chemicals our farms use produces. That’s what the OECD methods were designed to do, yet event though it’s been decades (the protocols are updated regularly), not a single study has been able to show such a relationship below the NOAEL I mentioned earlier. al. Thank you for this great fact based article. Yes, I would prefer give jobs to a lot of people to hand-pick weeds in the fields, and manually clear brush in forests, but I am betting every person reading this would say “no” to that job, lol. You are correct, the surfactant is probably more of a concern than glyphosate. Everyone who has ever used them would say no. I got glyphosate poisoning wading in farm flood waters . Products like Roundup WeatherMax, Touchdown Total, Glyphomax XRT and several others have built-in … Monsanto is funding scientists but we need the truth. Since this time, many new formulations have been introduced based on different gly… Most people recognize and use the name Roundup. The OECD protocols have been the standard for decades, yet in all that time, not one study has come out of the anti-biotech groups, while industry, academic, and government labs have managed this precise feat time and time again. The levels found in the environment and in mothers milk are extremely low and of no health concern. That is nonsense. Roundup vs Glyphosate. You filter your coffee, your vacuum, and the oil in your car. The difference between glyphosate and Roundup. Water. I believe there are a few stories and obituaries as well. It drives me nuts seeing people wandering about their yards, unprotected spraying willy-nilly…and worse, on windy days. The group that posted this has a history of notoriously bad science, and their claims were never peer reviewed or replicated. Bees certainly have environmental and pest problems, but glyphosate has not been shown to be one of them. But the plan truth is. The studies came from industry, academic, and government labs from the US, UK, Italy, Poland, India, and Japan, yet they all managed to obtain similar results. You are correct, it’s the Surfactant – Ethoxylated Tallow Amine that contains Ethylene Oxide a Class 1 Carcinogen. Its use chemicals or a lot of people starve. You are part of the problem. Studies have found glyphosate in drinking water and in mothers breast milk. “Has any chemical been proven to be safe?” Yes glyphosate. So the study was not compliant with the new standards. Soaps are surfactants. Recently, I found another article on the ncbi.nim.nih.gov website “Glyphosate induces benign monoclonal gammopathy and promotes multiple myeloma progression in mice.” J Hematol Oncol 2019 July 5, 12(1) 70. All the food we eat are chemicals – the aim of food processing is not to kill us. Maybe it’s time to give everyone a decent wage so they can buy good healthy food. Hi David, I really do get a good laugh at snow flakes “I will be unsubscribing”. I have degrees in Soils and also plant pathology and I have no worries with RU. The ultimate result of this loss of insects is obviously unknown (though the situation of Californian almond growers and the destruction of local bee populations by this intensive technique is instructive), but it will surely mitigate to a significant degree the increase in yields provided by such monocultures. I guess you think everyone who stands against your product has imagined all this in their head that roundup causes cancer and only doing this for money! Int J Environ Res Public Health 2015 Feb: 12(2): 1548 – 1559. proteins. I am only going to kill the dandelions in the front yard, as I use the dandelion leaves in the back yard in my salads. If it’s safe to drink, can you make a video of yourself drinking it? roundup works better on grasses than on broadleafs. Glyphosate has been with us for 40 years or more …parts per million will not harm anyone ..what is forgotten in all this is how safe the product is compared to what it replaced in farming of yesteryear.. I appreciate the topic and the comments. The Carlson Law Firm is currently accepting non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma clients from all … I also have been gardening for twenty years. Glyphosate (or RoundUp as it is commonly sold) is in the spotlight following claims it may cause cancer. A study sprayed honeybees with a normal concentration of glyphosate and found no harm to the bees. Get back to what’s natural and stop poisoning everyone. Lastly, we know so little about our own gut bacteria, I hardly think we can say we know when it is safe or not at today’s level of science. Why people think they are smarter than scientifically proven facts, I’ll never understand. There's a lot of 'Junk Science' claiming glyphosate causes cancer: Not sure if any of you had experience with this product, but here goes. Glyphosate was first registered for use in Australia in 1976 with the introduction of a 360g/L isopropylamine salt (Roundup®). Glyphosate is used as a weedkiller and herbicide and is located in a wide variety of these products across the country. This gives enough pause that even scientists should ask themselves “do I really know enough about these things beyond a shadow of doubt?”. And I remember the ads from doc. Just be sure you are getting a product with at least 41% glyphosate when shopping for a weed killer deal. How many studies that meet the minimum requirements in toxicology for determining that a causal relationship exists between glyphosate exposure and any adverse effects at or below the current limits? Sometimes it’s the other ingredients that make a chemical able to be sprayed are the problem. So how do you feel about Roundup ready soy? Roundup was originally produced by Monsanto and it contains glyphosate as its active ingredient. This is the reason it is not toxic to animals. “You can’t blame that on Roundup”. Most people recognize and use the name Roundup. To date, not a single study that complies with the international standards in toxicolgoy to conclude any causal relationship exists between glyphosate exposure and any negative health effects at or below the current regulatory limit (ADI-1mg/kg/day in the US and Canada). Refreshing to hear a reasoanable, educated voice amidst the noise. Glyphosate Product Comparis ons Con cen tration c 0.75 lb ae/A Surfacta nt Labeled for Product a Dis tributor Salt b Salt AI AE Product Rate Requir ement RR d Crops (Lb /gal) (oz/A) Bu cc aneer T enkoz IPA 4 3 32 Recommend Yes Buccaneer Plus Tenkoz IPA 4 3 32 Not Required Yes I love getting your posts in my inbox and it has been particularly pleasant during the strangeness and isolation due to the pandemic. While not surprising, it is shocking to see researchers attacked because they simply did good work. I’m all for scientific discussion. Hi everyone It is a matter of you deciding you do or don’t want to meet the virus, and the possibility of you meeting it and spreading it to people you love who may be more vulnerable than you. This also shines a very damning light on those researchers, as I can point to a perfect example of the “ethics” displayed by researchers you probably fawn over. Glyphosate is an aminophosphonic analogue of the natural amino acid glycine and, like all amino acids, exists in different ionic states depending on pH.Both the phosphonic acid and carboxylic acid moieties can be ionised and the amine group can be protonated and the substance exists as a series of zwitterions.Glyphosate is soluble in water to 12 g/l at room temperature. Ah, let me guess, Zhang et al., (2019), right? But note that they class alcoholic drinks as a Class 1 carcinogen (ie proven carcinogen – with no doubt). She became the victim of online slander and FOIA requests. But I’m not buying in to some of your garbage. Modern, intensive farms are almost entirely and truly monocultural in the sense of being almost devoid of ‘weeds’. My guess is a monsanto shadow company gave you some funding. Oh, and correlation is not causation, nor can it be used to imply causation. I personally do not use non natural products in gardening. A recent study claims to have shown that glyphosate can affect these bacteria. All major health organizations conclude that, even the W.H.O.. At residue levels the surfactant or glyphosate have no interaction. In this way, glyphosate kills annual and perennial weeds. Glyphosate is rarely used on its own, but as part of a chemical cocktail, for instance with the trade name Roundup or Weedol. 1g/kg (w/v) is ridiculously high, and the authors evenake it a point to indicate that the exposure they used is extrely high, even when compared to provious studies. There’s a reason why my peers and I devote so much time and energy to developing methods to test for causation, and it’s because correlative associations rarely pan out as being causally linked. Though most commonly known as a key ingredient in Roundup, glyphosate is found in many forms, including several salts and an acid. She detected none. Your vociferous support for glycophosphate I find extreme. Farms in the past rarely included “wild areas”, as you put it; they didn’t need to, food sources in the form of field weeds were endemic. But surfactants are considered safe as well, to the extent that companies don’t even have to list all of the surfactants they use. The pesticides we used 40 years ago were much more toxic. My dietician wants me eating them. Last time I looked I am part of life. These are clear attempts to make this a political rant rather than a nuanced article about science and public health…an issue important to people of all political persuasions. Another study found that even levels 50 times larger than the Accepted Daily Intake (ADI) set by European food safety agencies had very limited effect on gut bacteria. You can be against Roundup and be for GMO. The article concluded “…analyses of the full dataset provides no convincing evidence in the AHS for a link between multiple myeloma risk and glyphosate use.”. In the Abstract the article concludes “These data support glyphosate as an environmental risk factor for MM (multiple myeloma) and potentially NHL (non-Hodgkin lymphoma) and implicate a mechanism underlying the B cell-specificity of glyphosate – induced carcinogenesis observed epidemiologically.”. You have to have a threshold level for a surfactant to do its job. The number of bees studied was very low, and 1/4 of those were lost during the study. Glyphosate is a systemic (translocated) herbicide that moves from the treated foliage to other plant parts, including the roots. I still need to pick them out by hand, but at least they are no longer holding on. Roundup is used among a variety of crops and on non-cropland. Including the surfactant in the discussion was simply a way to move the goalposts. The choice should always be according to the person, and it seems wrong that others would suffer from those choices. 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